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The above link is a letter in yesterday's Los Angeles Times. I wanted to talk about it for a bit cause I feel it's completely misleading. The letter writer, Geoffrey C. Church, obviously a conservative, gives baseless attacks on Daily Kos which is a liberal website where the link is on my page.
In the letter he says the Daily Kos is a "vicous, hate-filled blog that routinely spews far-left hyperbole and smear attacks". Now if I were to make a charge like that I would be asked where specifically in the site those are cause I don't see them anywhere. Now Daily Kos is a liberal site but that is the only crime.
All Daily Kos does is present facts. What people say, what they do. Conservatives who yet again don't seem to understand facts can't except how crappy they are and what their pollititions are doing so instead of finding out he just attacks the people who report it.
In his second paragraph Church states how the Democrats won't debate on Fox News. Well knowing how Fox kisses Republicans asses all the time and does nothing BUT attack Democrats would you? After all I don't see Republicans rushing for a debate hosted by Keith Olbermann and they are pulling out of the CNN you tube debate cause they don't wanna talk with real people. He doesn't mention that at all.
And as a typical conservative as Church is he also fails to mention Bill O'Reilly (idiot as I rightfully call him) which allowed on his site a post from a frequent poster saying if Hillary Clinton gets elected he is going to keep his guns loaded. Something taken so seriously the secret service is investigating cause that is a threat if I ever heard one.
Like I said this is a typical conservative who is either oblivious to who is really the haters or is ignoring it. Either way he needs to wake up to reality. Another thing the writer fails to realize is he, just like anyone, can start their own website if they wish and voice their opinions but better have facts to back them up.
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The truth about Fox News: Rupert Murdoch has contributed to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign which something no respectable conservative would ever entertain. Peter Chernin,the president of Fox News, is a prominent Democrat. Hannity & Colmes is not just Hannity. Special Report has an even balance of Democrat and Republican commentators. Bill O'Reilly is a conservative but he always presents both sides of an issue. He should also get a special award from being the only newsman in the country who reports on judges who are lenient on child rapists. O'Reilly also airs critical email everyday. The thing the Left despises about Fox News is that it gives equal time and both points of view to Democrats and Republicans which is more than I can say for ABC,CBS, NBC, NYT, LAT, WP, Time or Newsweek. Every non-partisan study that I've ever seen shows that at least 90% of the news media vote Democrat on a regular basis. There is nothing the Left despises more than competition, which is why they detest capitalism and why they hate Fox News, and why they want a Socialist national healthcare system. Admit it!
Geoffrey C. Church
A: What competition? The left despises Fox News cause you only here the conservative point of view. It's not fair and balanced it's a conservative propaganda company as is CNN, MSNBC except for Kieth Olbermann,and it seems 90% of radio.
Where other then the internet do liberals really have a voice?
And thank you for responding although we disagree.
Yes Murdoch did donate to Clinton but she's the most conservative democrat running.
Bill O'Idiot is pure conservative and lies about everything. He is not fair nor balanced.
Yes there is Alan Comes but he is so minor on the show and he is the token liberal.
Britt Hume conservative everyone there is conservative and just lie and make up stuff and if you want proof look at the archives on my site.
Erik, it's true that talk radio is overwhelmingly conservative. We can thank Rush Limbaugh for this. Before Rush came along, the only way you could get a conservative point of view was to suscribe to a magazine like National Review or Human Events. The media today is still very liberal so you can rest easy. Fox News is fair and balanced and does give EQUAL time to liberal and conservative points of view. Even the hated Bill O'Reilly goes out of his way to make sure represenatives from both sides of an issue are given equal opportunity. Fox News has LIVELY debate and heated exchanges every night and this is precisely why so many people watch it and why it is beating the socks off its cable and network competitors. Who do you think is more fun to watch, Katie Couric or Hannity & Colmes? The idea that that big city newspapers such as the NYT, LAT, WP, Boston Globe etc are run by conservatives is laughable. Every unbiased study I've ever seen shows that up to 90% of the folks employed in the news media regularly vote Democrat. This is a fact you cannot refute. Just as all the big city newspapers are run by liberals so are the networks, CNN, and MSNBC. Without Fox News or talk radio, we conservatives would be forced to go back to conservative publications such as National Review to get information. We also have a lot of catch up work to do on the internet just as you guys need to do a lot catch up work on talk radio. While you guys currently have nothing to match Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Larry Elder, Mark Levin, Al Rantal, or Laura Ingraham, we have nothing on the internet which competes with MoveOn.org, Huffington Post, or Daily Kos. But, as a conservative, I am always of good cheer and will be content to allow market forces to work out these discrepancies.
Geoffrey C. Church
Erik, it's true that talk radio is overwhelmingly conservative. We can thank Rush Limbaugh for this. Before Rush came along, the only way you could get a conservative point of view was to suscribe to a magazine like National Review or Human Events. The media today is still very liberal so you can rest easy. Fox News is fair and balanced and does give EQUAL time to liberal and conservative points of view. Even the hated Bill O'Reilly goes out of his way to make sure represenatives from both sides of an issue are given equal opportunity. Fox News has LIVELY debate and heated exchanges every night and this is precisely why so many people watch it and why it is beating the socks off its cable and network competitors. Who do you think is more fun to watch, Katie Couric or Hannity & Colmes? The idea that that big city newspapers such as the NYT, LAT, WP, Boston Globe etc are run by conservatives is laughable. Every unbiased study I've ever seen shows that up to 90% of the folks employed in the news media regularly vote Democrat. This is a fact you cannot refute. Just as all the big city newspapers are run by liberals so are the networks, CNN, and MSNBC. Without Fox News or talk radio, we conservatives would be forced to go back to conservative publications such as National Review to get information. We also have a lot of catch up work to do on the internet just as you guys need to do a lot catch up work on talk radio. While you guys currently have nothing to match Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Larry Elder, Mark Levin, Al Rantal, or Laura Ingraham, we have nothing on the internet which competes with MoveOn.org, Huffington Post, or Daily Kos. But, as a conservative, I am always of good cheer and will be content to allow market forces to work out these discrepancies.
Geoffrey C. Church
"Where other then the internet do liberals really have a voice?"
Everywhere! As Mr. Church already stated, CBS, NBC, and ABC are all to the left, in there programming and their newscasters.
The thing is they don't refer to themselves this way. In most cases, talk radio conservatives boast that they are conservative. Katie Couric, Diane Sawyer, and most of the rest of the newscasters project themselves as "mainstream". In other words, it is normal to be liberal. People on the right are extremists.
ABC they aired the hit piece blaming Bill Clinton for 9/11 when Bush was told in advance and chose to do nothing. CBS refused to air a movie that was critical toward Ronald Reagan. Yeah liberals would do that. NBC has Keith Olbermann and he's on cable. EVERYONE else on that network is conservative. Come on here you guys really need to watch these networks.
Everyone has the right to watch what they want and believe what they want but you both need to open your eyes cause the media is not liberal.
IF the media is liberal wouldn't they be talking all the time about the Republican sex scandels that's currently going on? Like Bob Allen? No but given the chance they will gladly talk about Bill Clinton's affairs at anytime. If the media was liberal would they flash Mark Foley's being a democrat like both CNN AND FOX did even though he is a Republican? Yeah those are liberal media's.
By the way I never received answers to my questions:
Why are the Republicans afraid of the youtube debates
Why won't Republicans have a debate moderated by Keith Olbermann?
Republicans are going to debate in November on CNN/You Tube.
It is a well known fact that the Clinton Administration did jack about terrorism even though he had several opportunities to get bin Laden on his watch. He did nothing when the terrorists struck the World Trade Center the first time in 1993. He did nothing when they hit our embassies in Africa. He did nothing when they hit the Khobar towers in Saudi Arabia. He did nothing when they attacked the U.S.S. Cole, all on is watch. I guess he was a little busy with Monica in the Oval office when she was delivering pizza in the middle of the night.
By the way, conspiracy theories are the hobgloblins of small minds so let's try to avoid them and stick to the facts. I know some whack jobs on the far right who insist that FDR had advance knowledge about Pearl Harbor but did nothing so he could draw us into WWII.
Geoffrey C. Church
Just because members of the newsmedia don't outright claim "I'm a leftist!" doesn't mean they aren't. In fact, that is exactly my point. Keith Olbermann, as you have stated, at least admits his position. What about Wolf Blitzer, Katie Couric and Diane Sawyer? Or before them, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, and don't forget Walter Cronkite. These people were all obviously left of center. They never say they are. They portray themselves as mainstream.
When George Bush won the election in 2004, I think it was Tom Brokaw that had a "What Went Wrong" special the next evening. He and several other "mainstream" television journalists discussed why Kerry didn't win.
The reason you're not seeing as much coverage of the sex scandals you mention is because it just isn't newsworthy. Average Joe and Jane American don't know or care who these people are. They'll glue their eyes to the TV when it's Paris Hilton but who cares about some congressman in Florida?
Admit it Erik, if George Bush was ever caught cheating on Laura, the Iraq war would be wiped clean off the presses and televisions. A scandal like that would be the only news in the world.
Yeah and what about Bill Moyers, Judy Woodruff, Matt Lauer, Geraldo Rivera, Bryant Gumbel, Andrea Mitchell, Mike Wallace, and on and on and and on and on and on! They're all liberals. 90% of the news media regularly vote Democrat every study show this. What are you smoking, Erik?
Geoffrey C. Church
Erik, here's something you should really look at:
Scarborough-MSNBC
Let's see to respond to Clinton did Jack... The first World Trade Center Bombing suspects were caught, tried, convicted. Case closed. Oklahoma City suspects caught, tried, convicted. Clinton was bombing sites where Bin Laden was supposed to be at and was ridiculed by Republicans yet the silence as Bush has also failed.
As far as anything by Joe Scarbough he has no credibility being another water carrier for Bush just like Matthews, Carlson.
Well, Erik, President Bush has liberated two countries which were known to be harboring terrorists, Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran is next if it continues to threaten to wipe Israel off the map and supply Al-Qaeda terrorists operating in Iraq. We are also holding a number of these vicious thugs in Guantanamo but you liberals want to close it down and free them. By the way the Geneva Convention applies to regular armies and prisoners of war. IT DOES NOT APPLY TO BLOODTHIRSTY TERRORISTS WHO HIJACK AIRPLANES AND TARGET CIVILIANS. Do you liberals EVER distinguish between terrorists and regular soldiers? Ever? We are at war with a totalitarian ideology bent on the destruction of Western Civilization. Because the Bush Administration is on it toes (they can wiretap all they want as far as I'm concerned) there have been to attacks on our soil since 9/11. Currently Europe is in greater danger because they have weak leadership and weak militaries and no longer have the strength to fight this TOTALLY EVIL MENACE. To win wars you need to be on OFFENSE. Read history for God's sake, Erik. These times call for a Winston Churchill, or a Margaret Thatcher, a Ronald Reagan, or a General Patton. President Bush's greatest flaw (God Bless him) is that he is not a great communicator and has done a poor job articulating his policy to the American people.
Geoffrey C. Church
Mr. Church, you are getting way off track here. Poignant as your post may be (I agree with a lot of it, anyways), I suggest that you save that stuff when Erik posts his next "illegal war" post. I say this because I am always accusing Erik of the same thing.
Back to the topic. Erik, you mention the ABC movie The Path to 9/11. I think your view of that movie is very skewed. They put plenty of blame for 9/11 on Bush. But, since the movie did place some blame on Albright, Berger, and Clinton, it stirred up controversy. As for the Reagan movie, CBS wanted to air it. The only reason they didn't was because viewers called CBS and its sponsors and threatened to stop watching their shows. Personally, I watched the movie on cable - prepared to hate it, and actually liked it and didn't think it was unfair to the Reagans. Huge fan of Reagan that I am, I just never saw him as the "second coming of Jesus" the way some people seem to.
But that's only two shows! Everyday, TV viewers are exposed to liberal-biased television. NYPD Blue, The West Wing, Spin City, CSI, ER, and The Simpsons to mention a few. I remember a television writer being interviewed and asked about why most "good guy" TV characters are liberal. He replied that most writers don't understand the minds of conservatives.
Sorry I got off topic Robert. Of course we know the establishment is overwhelming liberal as is Hollwood. Last I checked the campaign donations flowing out of the 90210 zip code and surrounding areas were going to liberal candidates. If weren't for Fox News or talk radio, we would have to subscribe to a conservative magazine to get a conservative viewpoint. Does Erik actually think that we could get this from the likes of a Walter Cronkite, Bill Moyers, Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw, Katie Couric, Chris Matthews, Mike Wallace, Sam Donaldson or George Clintonopolous?
Geoffrey C. Church
Here is my question. There is a website mediamaters.com they have done research showing how the networks alleged Sunday political show are nothing but conservative. Would you look at it as factual given how the right characterizes that site?
Let's review Erik: Tim Russert, host of Meet the Press, used to work for Democrat Sen. Patrick Moynihan of New York and Gov. Mario Cuomo. Chris Matthews, host of Harball, was a speech writer for Jimmy Carter and also worked for House Speaker Tip O'Neill and Sen. Ed Muskie. George Clintonopolous worked for well, you know who. Sure, you can find token conservative commentators here and there like George Will but you get the picture. Fox News is the only channel that makes a concerted effort to give liberals and conservatives EQUAL time which is why it is kicking butt compared to its competitors. I think Jim Lehrer on PBS tries to be fair and balanced as well although he seems to be a liberal himself. Bill Moyers is absolutely insufferable and uses his platform to savage Republicans and pursue his own radical left wing agenda. I am absolutely sick and tired of liberals claiming that Fox is nothing more than a Republican mouthpiece. If this is so why did Rupert Murdoch contribute to Hillary's presidential campaign and why is Peter Chernin (a prominent Democrat contributor) president of the Fox News Channel? Liberals HATE Fox News because it gives EQUAL time to Democrats and Republicans. Always remember the Left hates competition. Look at that nutcase dictator Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. He is busy closing down opposition media, nationalizing industries, marginalizing the legislature, and doing away with term limits. So typical of the Left. They hate the free enterprise system and they love socialism and they hate dissent. They even want to silence the debate on global warming. The issue is settled they declare. Don't debate abortion either, the Supreme Court has already ruled. And, oh by the way, Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction. Did he not use chemical weapons against the Kurds and in the war between Iraq and Iran? I'm also tired of simple minded liberal slogans like Bush lied, people died. Joseph Goebbels was right: if you repeat a lie often enough the people will come to believe it.
Geoffrey C. Church
Geoffrey C. Church
Erik, by the way, I read that article on mediamatters.com about the Sunday Talk shows. I usually don't watch these gasbags as I have more important things to do on Sunday mornings (I am a eucharistic minister at my church). The study showed that there were more Republican guests on the Sunday talk shows than Democrats. Sen. John McCain is a very frequent guest on these shows as are GOP Sens. Arlen Specter and Chuck Hagel. Do you know what these three Republicans have in common, Erik? They are persistent critics of the Bush administration and they are media darlings. McCain teamed up with Sen. Ted Kennedy on the illegal alien amnesty bill and he also teamed up with the Sen. Feingold on the campaign finance bill which gags free speech in election campaigns. McCain was the only Republican in the senate to vote against President Bush's tax cuts. It's kinda easy to see why he would be a very frequent guest on the Sunday talk shows. Sen. Chuck Hagel is a fierce opponent of the Iraq war and has teamed up with senate Democrats sponsoring anti-war resolutions--see why they like him? Sen. Spector is by far the most liberal Republican in the U.S. Senate. We conservatives do not think of him as an elephant but rather a RHINO (Republican in Name Only) Spector is a frequent critic of the Bush administration and he is constantly calling for Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez to resign. The news nedia loves these kind of senators because they are always stabbing President Bush in the backside. All of these individuals were counted as "conservatives" in the mediamatters study. Conservative my a--!
Respectfully, Geoffrey C. Church
Mr. Church obviously you DO NOT WATCH FOX NEWS! They in no WAY SHAPE OR FORM give equal time to Democrats as they do Republicans and unless you have significant proof otherwise you are blind to Fox News.
Erik, I watch Fox news every night. I usually watch the O'Reilly Factor and Hannity & Colmes. Last night they had a very spirited debate on H&C on illegal immigration with Geraldo Rivera sparring with Tom Tancredo. Both sides were passionate and both were given an equal amount of time to get their points across. Fox News always gives liberals and conservatives equal time to debate. It would be a boring news channel if only gave one point of view and its ratings would fall. People don't watch it just to get one point of view. They enjoy the spirited debates on programs like Hannity & Colmes. Also last night on H&C they had David Horowitz debating an attorney representing CAIR, a terrorist front organization for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. It was very provacative to say the least. Judging from the email Bill O'Reilly shares from his viewers, a lot of liberals are watching his program every night as well. I know that I've mentioned this before, but study after study proves beyond doubt that upwards of 90% of the folks employed in the news media regularly vote Democrat. Why do you insist that the media in this country is conservative? Do you think most professors in our universities are conservative as well?
Geoffrey C. Church
P.S. If you are a prominent Republican politician opposed to President Bush's policies, you will frequently be invited on the Sunday morning talk shows. Comprendes?
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